WHO NEEDS THIS?

Fox News posted an article today about how American women have become so obnoxious and power-hungry that men no longer want to marry. AWD has been saying this for four years. Too many American women are monsters! And who wants to be married to a monster who will make your life miserable and then screw you for life in divorce. Apparently, fewer American males each year!

The article, titled “The War on Men” by Susan Venker says:

As the author of three books on the American family and its intersection with pop culture, I’ve spent thirteen years examining social agendas as they pertain to sex, parenting, and gender roles. During this time, I’ve spoken with hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women. And in doing so, I’ve accidentally stumbled upon a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same.

Women aren’t women anymore.

She’s right. Many American women are now men. They’ve been trained their entire lives to dislike and mistreat men. Traditional American gender roles have been ridiculed since the 70’s and the advent of the feminist movement. Little girls go to school wearing “Boys are Stupid” t shirts and it’s all so funny. A little boy wearing a shirt disparaging females would be disciplined. Girls are taught to seek a career instead of motherhood and that white men are the root cause of everything wrong in the world. Of course, the government has helped create this monster as it now takes at least one working parent to pay taxes. So women seek their careers at the expense of family and then wonder why they’re alone and angry at 50. Career ladies, that cool BMW won’t come visit you when you’re old. And who among us hasn’t had a female boss that was a total a**hole? I have. For some reason, many women believe they have to be total b*tches to be successful in the workplace.

Venker continues:

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

She’s right! Too many American women are just plain mean-spirited. They are not feminine and kind and cannot be satisfied. They are angry because the feminist teachings they’ve been force fed are lies. They have been taught they are always right and the man is always wrong. No matter what. What a recipe for disaster…for the man!

The media also makes fathers and men look like morons. Men smart enough to provide nice homes in TV programs and commercials are too shown to be too stupid to light a grill without blowing himself up. AWD has an entire section of this website dedicated to Male Bashing Commercials. Pop culture has made the wife or mom the authority figure while the father or man is the butt of jokes.

Young men have been warned by their fathers or seen with their own eyes the disparity of divorce courts. Most men are FFL (f’ed for life) after the marriage ends. They will have zero chance at gaining custody of their children and will be saddled by huge child support payments and possibly alimony for years. Even if they are not at fault for the marriage ending.

Venker hits it on the head with this:

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.

But what if the dearth of good men, and ongoing battle of the sexes, is – hold on to your seats – women’s fault?

You’ll never hear that in the media. All the articles and books (and television programs, for that matter) put women front and center, while men and children sit in the back seat. But after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Any guy who has been married to one of these monster women never forgets and never goes back to living the horrible roller-coaster of misery he once suffered. Many married men simply give up trying to please their wives as they simply cannot be pleased! If they have children, they hand over their balls and live a quiet life of desperation. If they divorce, they never go back to a woman who will wreck his life.

AWD has friends who cannot go to the bathroom without permission from their wives. We even sadly joke about it. But they have surrendered their balls long ago and aren’t willing to go to war to get them back. AWD understands because I once lived that horrible life. As I drove away from my home and children (moving out from my children was the single hardest thing I ever have done and it pains me greatly to this day) to escape the misery, I made a silent promise to myself that I have kept to this day: “I will never ever again let a woman kick my ass.” I’m not a bad man. In fact, I’m better than a lot and a good dad to my children. I have been alone and I have been miserable. I have never been alone and miserable.

Young men are confused as to who they are these days. I believe that’s why we see so many metrosexual types and girly men among our youth. They don’t know what it is to be men. They want to be what they have been told to be in modern culture…friends of women. They want to please women and they’ve been told they must be feminine, dress like fruitcakes and not do any of the things normally associated with traditional American men to be acceptable to females. They’ve been told they and their dads are stupid idiots their entire lives and believe it. They’ve been blamed for every wrong in the world being white males. They’ve probably seen their mothers rule the roost and the dad capitulate rather than risk elevating the anger of his insufferable wife.

One of the worst sayings in the American lexicon is “if mama’s not happy, nobody’s happy.” Why should mama have the control of making everyone’s lives miserable because she’s just an insufferable, controlling, angry bitch? Screw that! Who needs it? Not the man nor the kids.

The female monsters created by American culture have young men avoiding marriage and divorced men looking overseas to find their next wives. They look for women who are comfortable being women. Latin and Asian women are more like our mothers. They care for their husbands and family and don’t generally want to work outside of the home. There are clear lines of responsibility in the family and everyone plays their roles. It worked for our parents, it seems to work for us.

Venker finishes with:

It’s all so unfortunate – for women, not men. Feminism serves men very well: they can have sex at hello and even live with their girlfriends with no responsibilities whatsoever.

It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

So if men today are slackers, and if they’re retreating from marriage en masse, women should look in the mirror and ask themselves what role they’ve played to bring about this transformation.

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity – and let men surrender to theirs.

If they do, marriageable men will come out of the woodwork.

American women have bought the false propaganda of liberal feminists. And like all things liberal, it destroys everything and women are suffering. Women aren’t meant to be men and men aren’t meant to be women. But liberal claptrap philosophy tells us that is exactly the way to find happiness. Men are oppressors and women must take control. But most men aren’t oppressors, they are only looking for a good, kind mate who will treat them with kindness, love and respect.

Unless a young man has a religious belief about not having sex outside of marriage or is determined to have children, I would not recommend him getting married to an American woman unless she is drastically different from her American female monster sisters. It simply isn’t worth the risk. If they must marry, I recommend waiting to see if his wife turns into a monster before having children.

I know there are good girls and women who have not fallen to the liberal feminist lies. But only because of good parenting have they avoided that pit of misery. I also realize a lot of women have to work to make ends meet and I do not include you in this commentary if you have a good man and treat him with love and respect. But you know exactly the type of woman I am criticizing here. I’m also not saying there aren’t bad men. There are plenty. But it’s sad that so many good men and fathers are so mistreated by mean, angry women in this country. It’s no wonder why men avoid marriage!

Here’s a perfect example of some of the things I am talking about. How’d you like to live with this peach?

Here’s one that puts me in jail:

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  1. The Real Answer says:

    American Women are the Worse to get married too, and they are the biggest Cheaters as well as the biggest Losers.

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  2. No all women are the same you know? Some women are cold but some are hot. That’s right. I don’t think every woman is the same as men. However, your story scared me away from getting married with a woman.

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  3. Essential Logic says:

    “No all women are the same you know?” Well, the feminists have been operating on the claim that all men are the same. If the feminists don’t want to be treated as one-dimensional characters, then they should stop treating men that way.

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  4. The plain fact is women don’t NEED men. Most women are gainfully employed, or have situations where they are supported by parents or relatives. They also have Welfare and other programs to sustain them and their children. As a married man, I can say that compatibility stems from need. My wife is a Luddite. She requires someone with knowledge of technical issues to sustain the household appliances and other systems. I love her enough to understand that she will ALWAYS be dependent upon me to fix things around the house, or at least pay to have things repaired or replaced. A man needs the ‘Woman’s Touch’ and the woman needs support or simple companionship and the ‘status’ of marriage. Feminism isn’t such a bad concept, but anything developed by liberals (and lawyers..) will eventually result in a troublesome social environment over time.

    What truly is so indicative of the lack of empathy women feel toward men on this issue is that they KNOW these facts are valid, but once again, they cannot point the finger at themselves when something will not go there way.

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    • CombatMissionary says:

      What truly is so indicative of the lack of empathy women feel toward men on this issue is that they KNOW these facts are valid, but once again, they cannot point the finger at themselves when something will not go there way.

      This is SO spot on. Some women have been programmed by modern feminism to always look at the man or some outside factor when they’re not happy, when they don’t get their way, when anything isn’t how they want it. But most of the really incredible women I know, the ones who don’t buy into the feminist rhetoric, when something doesn’t go their way, usually their first instinct is to ask, “What did I do to make this happen?” Some I actually have to tell them, “Look, you did NOTHING to deserve this or make this happen. The other person was stupid/selfish/evil/etc.” My wife has started getting over this with people outside our marriage. She’s great about talking things out with me instead of playing some blame game. I never would have married her if she was like that.

      Single guys: if nothing bad is ever a woman’s own fault, SHE’S NOT DATING MATERIAL.

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      • PAmadwoman says:

        Same goes for men. If a guy starts telling me about his failed marriage that was all her fault, I run the other way.

        It’s a personality problem, common to men as well as women. As a matter of fact, anyone who refuses to take responsibility for their own problems is not someone you want a relationship with of any type — friend, spouse, co-worker. The complaining gets old quickly.

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        • CombatMissionary says:

          If only there were some way to prevent adult children from reproducing.

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        • PAmadwoman, marriage strips all pretense from a couple’s courtship rituals. You learn to live with each other, discerning every trait, habit, manner and verbal inflection of your mate. Men realize women take more time to get ready for public display. Suddenly, your bathroom counter is crowded with containers of lotions, powders, frightening mechanical contrivances, sprays, various forms of glue and the ubiquitous Fuse-Blowing Hair Dryer which, when activated, causes the electric meter to spin at visible RPMs. Women are gossipy. They have cliques of girlfriends who scrupulously ‘evaluate’ your behavior, work ethic, out-of-site activities and hobbies. (Professor Higgins described this eloquently) What you do before marriage is your business. What you do AFTER marriage seems to be EVERYONE’s business….

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  5. Essential Logic says:

    Well, considering the fact that most divorces are filed by women, mostly because women don’t feel they receive “enough attention” from their men, perhaps a number of men are correct in claiming that it is all of their ex-wives’ fault. Marriage is not standing with your arms folded across your chest and foot tapping demanding attention.

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  6. Essential logic, you’ve obviously never waited for my wife. I have ‘tapped’ my toes so many times in so many different situations, I could stage a Vaudeville show. Attention from either party entails some need for moral support. After people have been married for say 22 years (As we have..) you don’t behave in such a manner. I’ve gotten used to my wife’s delaying tactics, and she got used to my ‘tapping’, so that she won’t have to endure my impatience.

    I give my wife daily foot rubs and, if she has just showered, a complete body massage to aid her ailing back. I take her where she needs to shop, or to the doctor’s office. I take her to the airport when she travels to her home country (Vietnam) and I always called her when I was late on my San Francisco and Dublin Routes. I don’t think I’ve denied her the ‘attention’ she needs.

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  7. Essential Logic says:

    David Baker:

    I am glad you are paying attention to your wife but that doesn’t mean she believes that you are paying enough attention to her.

    Many men use a checklist to determine whether they are good husbands but that doesn’t mean their wives agree. Perhaps your wife isn’t focusing on the massages you are giving her – she may be focusing on your foot – tapping or other behaviors she finds annoying.

    Just because you may think you are a good husband doesn’t mean she agrees. This happens often in marriages and may explain why the divorce rate is so high.

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  8. marinomore says:

    It appears young men are listening to their older counterparts who have experienced the reality of marriage in the USA. Good job for listening and learning. Now pass on the wisdom.

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    • The dating game is not like it used to be. Now, men from 20 to 50 are all competing for the same women in their twenties and early thirties. When women leave a marriage they become permanently single or engaged to a much older man, when men leave a marriage they go after a young attractive woman. With online dating these young women are in such high demand and their ability to jump from one man to the next is so high that they become extremely spoiled. They are basically intolerable and look for the slightest excuse to break up with a man so they can try a new one out. These young girls have a different date every night… it’s amazing. This problem was caused by both men and women. If men were less superficial and would willingly date women their own age or of only ordinary attractiveness levels there wouldn’t be such a supply and demand problem. The internet makes the problem worse as does the erosion of religion, feminism, and a loss of female and male morality. When men say that women are awful, what they really mean, is that young attractive women are awful. The ones who are no longer able to pick and chose which man they want to date are, once they realize this fact, easier to deal with. It is really a horrible social condition in America and not truly the fault of either sex.

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      • Essential Logic says:

        To Matt:

        “According to Pew Research Center, the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives rose nine percentage points since 1997–from 28 percent to 37%. For men, the opposite occurred. The share voicing this opinion dropped, from 35 percent to 29 percent.”

        Men may want to date younger women but that doesn’t mean they want to marry them. The latest studies show that the number of men who want to marry has gone down while the number of women who want to marry has gone up.

        When older men date younger women, in most cases it’s because they have been through a divorce or break-up and don’t want another commitment that will lead to more pain. So they just date younger women who don’t want commitment either.

        It’s not men who are superficial but women. Women end marriages for the most superficial reasons and men have seen that. So men have decided why bother being a wonderful guy who wants commitment when his kids, money, property and pensions will be taken away from him in a divorce settlement.

        Furthermore, a woman who is successful often doesn’t want to marry a man who doesn’t make as much money as she does, even if this men is successful overall. Women still expect men to be the primary financial providers. Women’s roles have changed and this has allowed them more choices – they can be a traditional stay-at-home wife and mother, a career woman, somewhere in between. But men are still expected to work.

        Given the fact that establishing a career is taking longer nowadays and that so many people have outrageous student loan debt, no wonder people are postponing marriage, if they want marriage at all.

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        • Churchill once famously said that there are, “Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.” Researches somehow always find a way to make their statistics match the desired outcome of their study which is usually political in nature. I am sure you just Googled men and marriage studies and you saw with your own eyes studies that say the exact opposite of the Pew Poll. Who knows which of those studies is correct and it’s somewhat beside the point. Whether men want or do not want to marry is meaningless to me. I just have the view that modern men are weak babies who often rely on escapism and do not sacrifice to the same degree that their grandfather’s did. That is not the case with all men. About 75% of men and women are garbage and deserve each other. 25% of men and women are deserving. They often get jaded by the process.

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        • By the way you misquoted the study. It says only that young men’s view of marriage as very important has gone down from 28 percent to 37% while middle aged men and older men have gone significantly up. This is purely because young men are not currently able to provide for a household and the number of unemployed young men is at an all time high. Overall the number of men who view marriage as very important grew while the number of women who expressed interest in marriage decreased. That’s what the poll actually says. You just found a journalist who misapplied the study for his own purposes. Not even sure why we’re arguing about this as it has very little meaning in the context of our discussion.

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  9. Essential logic, you’re claiming women come with an instruction manual, like my DVD Player? You don’t give women enough credit for being individuals. My wife probably couldn’t cope with the attention I would need to lavish on her to ‘comply’ with your edict. The attention she DOES get is leagues beyond women of her age and ethnicity, according to their (constant) gossip and hen parties. I never set out to be someone’s idea of a perfect husband, I only desired to stop being single. My wife was widowed, and she had a substantial lifestyle beyond what I was able to provide for her. However, I DO provide for her, and in my book that’s worth all the “Attention” she deserves.

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    • Essential Logic says:

      David Baker:

      I never claimed that women come with an instruction manual like a DVD player does and I never issued any edicts. Furthermore, I never said anything that indicated I don’t give women enough credit for being individuals. Are you sure you are responding to my post?

      To be honest, I don’t really understand the point of your post. You married because you desired to stop being single? You should marry someone because you are capable of and want to provide someone with companionship, love and respect and hopefully get it back in return. You say you DO provide for her and that’s worth all the “Attention” she deserves? Sounds one-sided.

      And what does a woman’s age and ethnicity have to do with the amount of attention she gets?

      My point is that many feel that they provide their spouses with a lot of attention but that doesn’t mean that the other spouses agree as evidenced by the huge divorce rate. I don’t know what your point is.

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      • Essential, some people marry for convenience. Some people marry for money. Others marry out of desperation or perhaps because they’re pregnant. Marriage doesn’t have the specific imperative you try to impose on the pact. Men and women gravitate toward each other for a number of reasons, one of which I cited as “Need”. It is women who corral the male instinct for polygamy and freedom from “Commitment”. They set up marriage as a failure mode for male proclivities, then kick and whine when their mate doesn’t measure up to their lofty nuptials. It is difficult enough for a man to eschew “Playing the Field”, much less having to put up with a woman’s insecurities and her rigid behavioral specifications. Perhaps you just returned from a 30 year Martian expedition (or Venus?…) . As couples get older, they tend to get quieter. They don’t have the ‘heartfelt’ discussions of early years, or snuggling sessions on an hourly basis. That is what happens to relationships. It’s nothing to be concerned about, but you seem to affix some ‘culpability’ to males for not treating every day like a honeymoon. Any woman who thinks like you will set herself up for disappointment.

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        • Essential Logic says:

          David Baker:

          You continue to misinterpret my posts. I never imposed an imperative on marriage.

          Yes, people marry for different reasons and often for the wrong reasons. My point is, that one spouse may feel that s/he is doing all s/he can in the marriage but it is not enough to save the marriage.

          You did make an excellent point in your last point, however. Women do often set up marriage for failure with their lofty goals. Yes, men do it too, but women tend to do it more often. If a woman has a lot of insecurities in the marriage, she may file for divorce even though the man may be doing all he can to alleviate her insecurities.

          Too many women don’t reward the effort that their men put into the marriage. A lot of woman focus on how they feel rather than on the effort their husbands put in. If she is not happy, she is more likely to file for divorce even if he is doing all he can to save the marriage. Of course, this could be due to the fact that the divorce laws tend to favor women over men at the current time.

          That could be why women still want marriage but men not so much. The culpability lies more with the unfair legal system, which tends to take the men’s assets and even their children away just because a woman has decided she is not happy.

          But since more and more women are making more money than their men and the number of stay-at-home dads is growing, I suspect the legal system will be reformed so that men will not be able to take the assets and children away from women.

          It’s a shame that marriage has become more of a series of financial transactions rather a lifelong bond of love, compassion and respect.

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          • There are “Stay at Home Dads”, but the operative term here is “Stay at Home”. Women are the better of the “Stay at Home” contingent because they are instinctively geared toward child rearing, nurturing and most definitely feeding. Much of the expectations of modern marriage stem from how the process of courting has been portrayed by the media. In most romantic theme “Chick Flicks”, the end of the flick usually includes a proposal or wedding. From that point, you have no perspective on how the pair will coexist: whether they are compatible, or if either is pining for greener pastures.

            The ideal ages for women to marry are under 25 or over 40. Anywhere in between those ages, they tend to be more independent, argumentative and competitive. When women are very young, they’re usually naïve about things. They need the support and knowledge of the male to aid them financially and educationally. However, if she’s not ready for marriage, a young girl can be the worst “Life Partner” for a man. They’ll be hard to live with if they resent the imposition upon their carefree and irresponsible natures. (My best friend found that out to his great chagrin.) If the woman is over 40, she’s usually ‘clued in’ to the harsh realities of the game, and she’ll appreciate a man’s presence as she gets older and approaching menopause, retirement and the “Good Life”. One young girl attended my brother’s funeral. She was a good friend of my niece, and they sat chatting after the ceremony in my brother’s living room. Their entire conversation revolved around her overriding desire to be married and have children! She couldn’t have been more than 20, yet her goal was to snare some young man and raise a family.

            I met my wife when she was 45. She ‘Knew the Score’ and she fully understands that I never married before her. (I was 37) Lord knows I needed training in several aspects of a relationship, but she is a very kind, gentle and loving woman who has done her utmost to take care of me. Perhaps ours was a rare version of this institution, but I have learned that, if you’re not the marrying type, you should stay single!

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          • Essential Logic says:

            I don’t know if one gender or the other is necessarily better at staying at home to raise the kids or pursuing a career but I do know that both men and women should have that choice. Right now, men have less of a choice. Men are still expected to bring home the paycheck.

            I think the legal system and the media allow women to act the way they do. Men are portrayed as incompetent, sex-crazed and even abusive idiots whereas women are portrayed as empowered victims who are praised for their “independence,” which usually means they don’t need a man and are therefore free to denigrate men in order to emulate themselves.

            Chick flicks only make the problem worse. Real romance is when two people in a committed relationship take care of and respect each other and deal with life’s problems together on a daily basis.

            As the old saying goes, you judge a house by the strength of its roof, walls, floors, foundation, plumbing and electricity and not by the beauty of its carpets, curtains, furniture and pictures. Too many people focus on superficial items in a marriage instead of the meaningful and spiritual items.

            Nowadays, it’s hard to see why anyone would be the marrying type. If a marriage is just a long date that will eventually end with the distribution of money, property and children after a certain period of time, then why bother? Of course, for those who have found the right partner, marriage can be wonderful and those people should be grateful for they are among the few who are blessed with such a gift.

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        • Actually the most recent studies state that it is now men who want marriage and women who want polygamy and freedom. Seen several that all agree that this is the new norm.

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          • Essential Logic says:

            I posted this earlier but I will post it again:

            “According to Pew Research Center, the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives rose nine percentage points since 1997–from 28 percent to 37%. For men, the opposite occurred. The share voicing this opinion dropped, from 35 percent to 29 percent.”

            I don’t know what studies you are referring to but more and more men are opting out of marriage. This is not just true in the U.S. but all over the world. In fact, in Japan, even more men are refraining from marriage.

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  10. I agree with everything you said in this article with one exception. American men suck too. They are increasingly addicted to pornography and often avoid work and responsibilities in order to play video games and or play. It really is a cultural problem here… America is messed up.

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    • Essential Logic says:

      Actually, American men are rated as being among the best husbands. In those countries where pornography is banned or difficult to obtain, the women tend to be more oppressed. You use a male name, Matt, but you sound more like a woman who is threatened by pornography – despite the fact that American women constitute around 20 percent of pornography viewers.

      Pornography can benefit a relationship and aid a couple’s sex life. Over 85 percent of women reported watching porn as a “fantasy escape.” A further 23 percent said it helped them relieve stress — and there’s a scientific precedent for that. A study from Carnegie Mellon reports that men who looked at sexy pictures were much less stressed than those who viewed non-sexual images. Subjects who looked at the sexy images also performed 50 percent better on a math test.

      If you are having problems finding or keeping a man, “Matt,” I don’t think you can blame porn.

      As for American men avoiding work and responsibilities, that’s not true either. American men work longer hours than many other men in Western nations without as many vacations or days off. In fact, the common complaint is that America is becoming more like a slave nation – long hours with low pay and not enough benefits. So, yes, America may be messed up but not because of the reasons you stated.

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      • I’m a dude. Notwithstanding the fact that everything you said is backwards and wrong I guess you have a good point.

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        • Essential Logic says:

          @ “Matt”

          Sure you are a dude. Notwithstanding the fact that everything you said is inaccurate, opinionated, false and not backed up by any studies, I guess you make sense.

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          • My opinion is opinionated. Good argument. I’m a guy who is OK with women being cheap whores. They are all for sale in one way or another and their role is not to tend to weak men who are emotional messes who can’t survive on their own. Women want a man with his act together, men want a women who is hot. If a women becomes fat and horrifying to look at a man leaves her or otherwise treats her with disdain, if a man loses control of his life, is not assertive and in control of the marriage, then the women leaves. That’s the rule. Stay on top and make good money and you don’t have to worry about your girl leaving. If she does. Replace her. Be an alpha male and quit whining about the actions of women who have less intelligence and reasoning than men. If you want to date someone who is logical like you, you can date another man or a tranny…. No more complaints. Women are challenging and complicated, rise to the challenge instead of being a weak defeated reject.

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          • Essential Logic says:

            Matt:

            You said my opinion was backwards. Good argument.

            Men want women with their act together too and women want men who are hot as well. Both parties to a marriage should keep themselves looking good and make good money or contribute to the marriage in a positive way. That’s the rule.

            And a man making good money is no guarantee that the girl won’t leave. In fact, the more money he makes, the more likely she will file for a divorce and take at least half of his money. That’s why more and more alpha men are deciding they don’t want marriage either.

            Furthermore, people change after a marriage. A person who seems logical before marriage suddenly changes and becomes a demanding, unreasonable, illogical tyrant after marriage. Leave? Well, if you are a man, you lose your children, your money, your property, your pension and so on.

            You say you are a guy but your rhetoric is the same rhetoric that a lot of angry women use in debates. Basically, you are saying that an alpha male should just make money and if he doesn’t, his wife will leave him. If a woman wants money, then she should make it herself. Let her work the long hours to support the luxurious lifestyle she thinks she deserves. She can’t do that? Well, then she shouldn’t expect the man to do it for her. Likewise, if a man wants home-cooked meals and a clean house, he shouldn’t expect the woman to give up her career to do those things. Let him do it for himself. Or, both men and women can work together to achieve the things they want to achieve, which I think is the best option.

            Men are changing too and women should rise to the challenge instead of being weak, insecure, nagging rejects and losers.

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          • The 2010 Pew Poll you keep mentioning actually shows that men now hold marriage as being more important. You just took the views of young men and misleadingly disregarded the views of middle-aged to older men who in the same poll expressed significantly higher levels of interest in marriage. The overall number of men who express marriage as more important grew according to the poll and 80% of both men and women hold marriage to be very important. Young men have always been less interested in marriage, they have things to do, and their opinion is not particularly material. What the poll actually expresses is that as men and women age women become less interested in marriage and men become more interested in marriage. That is a reversal of the past.

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      • Essential, you mentioned a “Choice”. That’s interesting, since most companies and government agencies who hire women these days are required by law to grant women maternity leave to “Stay at Home” after the birth of their children. Those companies and government agencies don’t have any “Choice”, do they? So why would they hire a female employee who is capable of getting pregnant? Why would they put themselves through the process of arranging “Special Time Off” days, or constructing and staffing on-site Child Care facilities? Seems to me your “Choice” places a significant burden on the places where these women work, wouldn’t you say?

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        • Essential Logic says:

          David Baker:

          I said that both men and women should have the choice to stay home with the children. This is already being done in Europe. Many employers in the U.S. also grant maternity and paternity leave to their employees.

          I don’t really understand your argument. I guess using your logic, why should people without children fund schools? Who cares if children grow up to be illiterate? Why should people who are not sick and elderly fund nursing homes for those are sick and elderly? If you get sick and old, that’s your problem. You should have saved your money so you could hire a nurse to take care of you. Why should people who don’t drive fund the construction of highways? Why should people who don’t use public transportation fund public transportation with their tax dollars?

          Choices come with responsibilities. If you want people to support your choices, you should be willing to support other people’s choices. That’s called a society. Otherwise, we are living in the jungle, wouldn’t you say?

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          • Essential, yes, I understood what you said. The reality is that women are permitted by law to “Stay at Home” with their newborns for a considerable length of time, while their employers must keep their jobs open. My question to you is why companies or government agencies would desire to employ women who are of child-bearing age, considering they may have to grant this privilege? Why would these companies and government agencies subject themselves to the requirement for on-site Day Care Facilities, “Special” Time Off work schedules, possible lawsuits for Sexual Harassment, Discrimination, Workplace Fraternizations, Double Standards of Physical Requirements (Especially in the military..) and other uniquely female employee issues? I could tell you why, but you would not like my answer.

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  11. Essential Logic says:

    Matt, you claim that my studies are “damn lies and statistics” but you cited no studies. Actually, I didn’t find any studies that show men want marriage but I am sure they exist. How do you know that these studies aren’t “damn lies and statistics”?

    And I cited a 2012 Pew Poll, not the 2010 Pew Poll. I think you are covering up.

    “A cross section of research data from the Pew Research Center for the last months of 2012 shows the alarming trends for marriage and child-bearing in the US. One report published in mid-December said that the latest census data showed “barely half” of all adults in the United States are currently married, a “record low”. Since 1960, the number of married adults has decreased from 72 percent to 51 today and the number of new marriages in the U.S. declined by five percent between 2009 and 2010.

    There was nothing in the poll indicating that older men want marriage or that older women don’t want marriage. I think you are providing an example of Churchill’s “damn lies and statistics.”

    And if you don’t care whether or not men want to marry, why did you bring it up? You say men are weak babies? How about the woman who have children out of wedlock and expect the taxpayers through welfare to help them raise their children? How about the women who break up families by divorcing and raising children in poverty. The number of women who file for bankruptcy has increased and most of them are educated, middle-class women. Perhaps women should learn to grow up and stop expecting others to come to their rescue when they make poor life decisions.

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    • You did not cite a 2012 Pew Poll, you cited a 2012 article that misleadingly referenced a well known 2010 Pew Poll and alleges it cross referenced 2012 data. When a journalist alleges to cross reference 2012 data that means, “there was not 2012 data and I did not look at anythin.” Here is an article from 2013 that also alleges to interpret the Pew Poll and comes to the opposite conclusion. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org.....-marriage/
      If you require polls, which as I said before, sometimes misrepresent reality, here is Match.com Time Magzine Poll
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....23280.html
      and one from the Atlantic.
      http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/1.....women.html that have opposite conclusions to the one you transmitted. There are many others that all say the same thing. Men now want marriage more than women. I held the same misanthropic point of view that you did 5 years ago and one day I decided to reverse my polarity and view the current state of the world as an opportunity. I decided that most men were unwilling to take control of their environment. Part of that means taking control of relationship and being confident and fearless when it comes to women. As soon as I decided to have balls not only did I become very rich but I married a very nice wife and had women breaking down doors to try and get me. If you make yourself more stable and more confident than other men you become a highly desirable commodity for women. Quit complaining and grow some balls. Let the other men complain and bitch and you just take their women. Yes, women will still leave and file for divorce. No you will not care, because you will replace the bitchy aging woman, with a hot energized one.

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      • Essential Logic says:

        Matt:

        And what about men who can’t become rich? They don’t deserve a happy marriage? More and more Americans are living in poverty. Telling them to just grow some balls and become rich is easy to do but how can they do it? Not everyone can be like Malcolm Forbes, Donald Trump and Oprah Winfrey.

        By the way, there is also a Pew Poll that shows that more Americans are slipping into poverty from the middle class. What does that say about your view on marriage? So are these men not growing balls? Are these women not growing ovum? If growing balls means make more money, I guess a lot of Americans’ balls are shrinking.

        And I don’t see relationships as some kind of game where you just replace the pieces you don’t like. Marriage is supposed to be a loving, caring, loyal bond between two people who are willing to do anything for each other. If a person decides to divorce because the other person has become poor or fat then why bother? Will you divorce your child if your child grows up to be poor and fat? Will you just replace your child? How can you look at relationships like that?

        That’s why the polls show that men don’t want marriage and that more women don’t want it either. And even if they want marriage, it doesn’t mean that they should get married. Many people get married for the wrong reasons and then they pay the price.

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      • Essential Logic says:

        Matt:

        That website indicating that more men want marriage if from the 3rd Professional Women’s Report and the other one is match.com. You don’t think there is bias? More women want to marry so they claim that men want it too in order to influence more men to marry them. And match.com earns more money by encouraging people to sign up in order to find the “right one” to marry. Feminists are known for their false and exaggerated propaganda.

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  12. Essential Logic says:

    You are the one who is misquoting a journalist. I have the Poll and it’s not what that says.

    But anyway, what difference does it make if more older men want to get married and more older women don’t? Maybe older men need money or someone to take care of them whereas older women have relatives or money from a divorce so they don’t need to marry.

    The point is, the future generation of men do not want to marry because of what they have seen their fathers, uncles, grandfathers, brothers, friends, co-workers, acquaintance gone through. What does that say about our future as a society? You are the one living in an alternate universe.

    You still believe that in order for a marriage to be successful, a man has to simply make a lot of money. Well, in a society that is becoming increasingly poor, what does that tell you about the future of marriage and family? This isn’t the 1950s, Matt. The TV shows “Leave it to Beaver and “Father Knows Best” ended decades ago.

    Your view on marriage simply has no respect for men. Men are not just financial providers. What happened to equality?

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  13. Essential Logic says:

    Matt:

    This is what I looked at: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org.....-marriage/

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  14. Essential Logic says:

    David Baker:

    Whatever the reasons are, I just wish more employers offered more benefits to their employees. The U.S. is becoming a slave nation. Meanwhile, “a new report from the Census Bureau showed a total of 108,592,000 people were on some sort of means-tested government benefits program in the fourth quarter of 2011, yet only 101,716,000 people were employed full-time for the entire year.”

    Sometimes I think the people on welfare have the right idea. Why work 50, 60 or more hours a week for low pay when you can just get on welfare? In 35 states, welfare pays more than the minimum wage and in some states you can obtain benefits of up to $57,000 per year. I hope that this is exaggerated but if it’s anything close to the truth, it’s a tragedy.

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    • Essential, the effort to engender a Socialist Ideology in America among the ‘workers’ (Saul Alinski would be proud) notwithstanding, your being evasive with your reply to my inquiry is indicative of the attitudes you describe. The reason women are hired for many jobs is due to several factors, including government contract set asides for businesses ‘Led’ by females, or companies who comply with government “Quota” requirements for hiring minorities. You also ignore the legal ramifications: Lawyers are at the ready to sue companies who refuse to hire females. Candidly, these companies and government agencies have resigned themselves to the fact that it is cheaper to hire women than to be sued for NOT hiring women and other minorities.

      It is also demographically advantageous, since the media is also primed to highlight such ‘Discrimination’, putting employers on the defensive. Compensation is an issue best left to the free market forces, rather than inserting government as a factor. If you have a job that pays $7.68 per hour for the employees to tame lions with one hand tied behind their back, you probably won’t get many takers. Free Market adjustments of wages, costs and benefits will always create a symbiosis for businesses and employees to refine their compensations to acceptable levels.

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  15. Essential Logic says:

    David Baker:

    I wasn’t being evasive. I didn’t know what you were going to say.

    And my reply was relevant. Perhaps more people should demand more from employers the way women and minorities demanded more from them.

    In parts of Europe, people demanded more paid vacations and time off, universal child care, free higher education, national health care insurance and so on.

    And what do we have here in the U.S.? More poverty, more work with less time off and lower pay, no national health care insurance (I can’t comment on Obama’s plan because it is new), high cost child care, a large welfare state and a higher education system that insists on placing young people into massive amounts of student loan debt.

    It’s time we stop focusing on the special interests here in the U.S. and focus more on the average American.

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    • Methods for your employees and prospective hires to demonstrate their desire for higher wages are to quit, strike or simply don’t apply for jobs that are not sufficiently remunerative. A significant event affecting U.S. employment is the introduction of so-called “Free Trade” agreements, which allow multinational corporations to outsource their manufacturing and other processes to third world labor markets. The level of poverty coincides with the reduction of Middle Class workers and incomes, as our factory jobs, I/T, Call center and other labor intensive functions are shipped out from our country. The Fed is inexorably compiling a debt beyond the ability of any future generation to reconcile. I’m afraid Americans are screwed until we wrest the “Globalist” yoke from our government and manufacturing centers.

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  16. Essential Logic says:

    David Baker:

    I fully agree with your last post (about the corporate agreements), but at the same time, the workers could have fought for better laws and agreements in the same way the labor movement did in the 1900s. It’s not easy finding jobs at all today, let alone jobs with benefits. This is the new America, unfortunately.

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    • Essential, somehow, I don’t think we should be sidelined in addressing such concepts as a “New America”. Feminism, a social agenda which actually would have been beneficial had the movement not metastasized into a government-expansion vehicle, recognized female rights. Though females HAD rights prior to feminism, somehow the notion was fostered that they needed more than the Constitutional variety to function as “Equals” of men. Women aren’t “Equal” with men. They have vaginas, breasts that are designed to feed, menstrual cycles (My wife had some real lulus…) weaker/smaller bodies than men, organs designed to be impregnated, gestate, give birth and suckle children, higher voices, shapelier, sexually attracting frames and smaller brain sizes than men. This “New America” takes natural human differences and grows an entire industry of tort. media, government, legal and publishing organizations to ‘protect’ this absolutely absurd suggestion that men and women are not different.

      The problem being is that these industries are doing nothing but promoting litigation, Big Government, social strife, lesbianism, misandry, mendacity and fabrication in order to enrich the leaders, lawyers and managers of these operations, while politically advantaging incompetent and polemic women to attain positions within our government who have no regard for their Constitutional limitations, nor their duties to function as representatives of ALL constituents.

      Seems to me this “New America” is populated with blind, pliant idiots who can’t discern that these social movement promoters are full of beans (AND blind ambition..)

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      • Essential Logic says:

        The “New America” is one that can’t educate its children properly as we are slipping in our global rank. The “New America” is one that has more people who are on welfare than people who are gainfully employed. The “New America” is one where people actually live in Third World poverty in many parts of the nation. The “New America” is one that has the largest debt in the world and insists on putting those who want to go to college into tremendous debt as well. The “New America” is one that does not offer adequate health care to millions of its citizens. The “New America” is one that probably won’t be able to defend itself against a two-front attack from our enemies because our troops are located all around the world. The “New America” is where there are so many unemployed and underemployed. The “New America” is one that is not able to compete with other nations.

        This “New America” came into being over time. There were warning signs at the beginning. Even in the 1970s, experts claimed that America was going down the wrong path. But as you said, there were too many blind, pliant idiots who did nothing.

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        • Essential, perhaps you’re awakening to some unpleasant facts. Indeed, Americans are deliberately being “Dumbed Down”. Our young are being deprived of an education designed to both prepare them for the work environment and inform them of historically significant events and people who shaped our nation as a viable economic and sovereign entity. We’re now seeing social movements taking precedence over our economic difficulties. Why in God’s name do our political officials spend their precious time promoting concepts such as Gay Marriage when our debt is so enormous, we’re facing very real prospects of default and bankruptcy? Why are they introducing drugs into our society which are known to damage mental capacities and hook users onto more caustic substances? Why are casinos popping up in every vacant lot, each being ‘justified’ as helping our “children”? Your women are the ones who are convinced to vote these candidates into office on the premise that they ‘comply’ with Sacred Cow Liberal issues. However, the fact remains we are seeing the exponential growth of our government far beyond the established parameters of our Constitution they are sworn to protect.

          The “New America” is shaping up much like the “Old Soviet Union” in that we are allowing the government to expand toward every issue fostered by liberals, without regard to the fact they are not Constitutionally empowered to involve the government in said issues. (Find me ONE “Right to Marry” in ANY State or our Federal Charter) Nero fiddled while Rome burned. What key would you like the next recital to be played in?

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          • Essential Logic says:

            David Baker:

            I am not awakening to some unpleasant facts, I have been wide awake for a long, long time. I do believe that extreme social policies have trumped sound economic and financial policies over the last several decades.

            I don’t see what harm there is in allowing gay marriage. At least some people want to marry.
            But I do agree that too many people are hired for who they are in order to meet some quota rather than what skill they possess.

            And the drug culture in America is becoming more and more prevalent. More states are legalizing marijuana, probably because the state governments want to raise more money through sales and use taxes. I wonder what the social costs of that experiment will be. I have seen too many people just lounge around their homes smoking pot and I hope this doesn’t become an epidemic.

            People say that marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol. Well, when people start buying pot brownies to go with their bottles of scotch and Xanax pills, let’s see if that combination won’t be dangerous. We are already a nation of overmedicated citizens.

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  17. I’ve worked for female bosses. Most of them were decent, competent and understanding. There seems to be a perception here that men should resent female leadership. That is NOT the point of feminism as it pertains to current manifestations of this doctrine. As one of them “White Males” (Actually, I’m American Indian) ostensibly to be reviled by women, I have been ‘indoctrinated’ on the fallacy that women are ALL wanting to work. They ALL want to eschew marriage, or having children. Where this fallacy crosses the line in our society is the FORCING of women into the workplace. Companies should hire who they want, based upon several factors such as a prospective employee’s health and physical abilities, knowledge of the technical aspects of a position, their history of employment tenure and performance, and especially the prospective employees history of litigation against their former employers.

    Women cause problems in many employment sectors. This is a KNOWN aspect of mixing genders in the workplace. However, these days, women are ‘protected’ from any adverse behavior on their part which creates these workplace controversies. I was stopped by a female USAF Captain who was visibly well into her first pregnancy gestation, and about to be granted six months Maternity Leave from our Directorate Headquarters. She pointed an ‘accusing’ finger at me and proclaimed: “This is a GOOD OLD GIRL’S WORLD NOW. MEN ARE OUT. WOMEN ARE IN!!” I told her I would locate a hatchet and a Bandaid to improve my chances of continued employment. You could imagine what would have occurred if I had uttered such a proclamation to her. I will add that my female superior was standing right next to her during her speech.

    You see, these women are becoming not only ‘liberated’, but steeped in the belief that the Standards imposed upon men directing our comportment toward females do not apply to women. There are also lawyers who will defend such behavior, should these strumpets be taken to task for their rants. American women have to understand that they are being manipulated by political/media and ideological organizations who endeavor to disrupt our society, expand our government and create a fertile environment for the legal profession to capitalize on “their” social movement.

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