Oh brother! Here we go again with another example of the phony dog-whistle BS when it comes to the race-baiting game via the lunatic left. If what happened here during this back and forth isn’t grasping at straws, as well as desperation for their messiah, then please tell us what is!

This is short and to the point…see what you think about what was said here:

Rush Limbaugh mocked President Obama on his radio show today using the term “shuck and jive,” which has racial undertones to it. Al Sharpton found this absolutely outrageous, blasting Limbaugh for his racial “inferences” in the Syria debate, but Joan Walsh took it one step further by calling Limbaugh a “racist troll.”

Limbaugh was slamming Obama on Syria and called his lack of a clear strategy “Operation Shuck and Jive.” Sharpton called this an “ugly” statement from Limbaugh in what should be a serious debate about U.S. military intervention.

As soon as Sharpton brought on Walsh, she wasted no time in going after Limbaugh.

“Rush Limbaugh is a racist troll and he’s proud of it. He expects this, he’s always looking for a new low with this president, and he hit one today.”

She and Sharpton also found it interesting how many Republicans who supported intervention in Iraq now are opposed to Syria because President Obama‘s the one running it.

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  1. Thanks BT, I haven’t laughed out loud like that in ages.

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    • Glad you liked that Chas. It’s sure worth watching two minutes of amusement from this pair of clowns…at least that’s how I saw it.

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  2. Why does anyone listen to sharpton? He is an incoherent racist with M.I.D.

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    • Heck, I don’t watch his show whatsoever. I put this two minute clip here for some absurd amusement…nothing more. We all need a good laugh now and then, and this pair provided that.

      btw…what does M.I.D. mean?

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      • What rock did this DB Walsh crawl out from under??? Sharpie is always good for a bowel movement.

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      • Sorry for the delay Big, Mildly Intellectually Disabled. A term used for a category of special needs individuals.

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        • bluffcreek1967 says:

          I don’t think there’s anything “mild” about Al Sharpton’s intellectually disabled brain. It looks to me like he’s got a full-blown case of brain-deadness! 😉

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        • eekalouse…

          No worries…and thanks so much for the reply.

          I might add here that I agree with what BC said when it comes to Al.

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      • Really made me laugh !!!!
        reminded me of Eddie Murphy playing Mr. Rogers on SNL speaking to a bunch of 3 yr. olds

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  3. Amazing how the Cindy Sheehan’s have gone into hiding.

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    • Yep…guess Joan Walsh will have to fill the bill for now. Heck, you can always count on her for that!

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    • no kidding.. where is that bitch now? Used her sons death as political capital.. she should be ashamed but like the true liberal that she is.. she isn’t because the means justify the end in her mind. She didn’t deserve a warrior for a son

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      • Heck, I heard a few months back somewhere Sheehan is going to try to run for another office of some kind in the near future. And once again….she’ll lose!

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        • I don’t know about that… there are some precincts out there with some wacked out of their heads, tree huggin, Birkenstock wearing, deodorant avoiding, bicycle riding, celery eating, chuckle heads that would love her to sit in a drum circle with them… ugh She might win in an area like that

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        • bigtimer
          Running for the uglist woman in America, she reminds me of standing in line at a convenience store and the fellow in front of me bought a 12 pack, the clerk asked him if he wanted a sack, he told her no I’ll just but the box over her head.

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  4. I knew there was going to be hell to pay as soon as I heard Rush use that phrase. Leftards have no measurable sense of humor. Anyone who plays the race card without being chased by a bunch of clowns in sheets with burning crosses is not to be taken seriously. 😉

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  5. Is there anyone that can name a successful country being run by someone who is black other than Ismokecrackastan?

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  6. wow.. it doesn’t get anymore absurd does it? You would think that they would tire of the same ole tricks but Saul Alinsky taught them well…

    thanks for the laugh.. I needed it today

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  7. Well everyone knows White Presidents dance the Potomac Two Step, and Black Presidents Shuck and Jive. And nobody at the Beltway dance will dance with the person that brought them.

    Well Barrack Hussein Obama wants this war, it is his war, and responsibility belongs wholly to those who voted for him.

    And this NeoCon warmonger laughs at the destruction you are responsible for making a reality.

    I hope Putin EMPs your computers, I hope your electricity, credit cards, EBT cards, and your air conditioning stops working.

    That’s right I want to see you sweat, I want to see you go “FORWARD” to the 1940’s

    Because you Liberal Democrats are obviously still living there in your minds with Jim Crow.

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    • Wow…every single word you posted is priceless. – One of your best in my humble opinion.

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    • Wasp,

      Right you are… dims still living in the 40’s. Hell, just going after the energy trapped beneath American soil would turn the economy around in a heartbeat.

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      • That is something all of us here at AWD echo,

        American oil for American energy.

        It would fix 80% of our problems and everyone knows it.

        Excluding the Green Deniers who will not listen to facts.

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        • Waspish
          Not to mention all the Gold that is still here that could be mined and help put America back on the gold standard.

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        • Mr. Rational says:

          American oil costs way too much in concrete, steel (cemented permanently into the ground) and other inputs to ever be cheap or abundant ever again.  That’s just a fact; if drilling could get us lots of cheap oil, all the drilling going on now would have done it already.

          If you want cheap and abundant, you’ll have to use something else.  I’m using electricity, and it works like a charm.  I haven’t bothered to put gas in anything except the lawnmower since June, and that was more than 2000 miles ago.

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          • Mr Rational
            There are thousands of existing oil wells that are caped off and placed out of bounds by the EPA that could be easily put back into production at little cost except to some environmentalists horror, by the way how is your electricity generated? is it hydro, coal fired or fuel oil? If you got 2000 miles of grass to cut you need to check into raising cattle.

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          • Mr. Rational says:

            There are thousands of existing oil wells that are caped off and placed out of bounds by the EPA

            There are thousands of wells capped off because they are uneconomical to pump.  A lot of “stripper” wells produce contaminated saltwater with as little as one percent oil in it.  If the oil won’t pay for the pumping and maintenance and disposal of the water, it gets capped.

            If you object to clean-water regulations, what would you allow people to do?  Dump that water (with remnant oil and often lots of salt) on the ground or in streams?  What about the people downstream, who use that water for drinking or recreation?

            The EPA is obviously not stopping all sorts of independent drillers from pulling 700,000 barrels a day out of the Bakken shale in North Dakota.  If you bothered to get some facts and think, you would realize you’re being fed a bunch of hooey.

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          • There not stopping them there because it’s private property you fool! And by the way, try as they might…they can’t find one bit of evidence that there has been any harm anywhere…not one iota!

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          • Mr. Rational says:

            There not stopping them there because it’s private property you fool!

            Clean air and water regulations apply everywhere.

            Most capped-off wells are also on private property.  There are lots of “oil landsmen” in places like Texas, going around to idled wells to see if modern technology can make them productive again.

            try as they might…they can’t find one bit of evidence that there has been any harm anywhere…not one iota!

            Just a couple counties away from me, citizens have caught contractors spraying “frac water” with very high levels of toxins like benzene onto roads (as dust suppressant).  The sprayers were caught because people could smell the contaminants from a long distance away (the company was previously banned from spraying contracts because of doing this exact same thing).  If someone gets liver cancer from breathing or drinking stuff with benzene in it, it will be far too late to do anything about it, won’t it?

            BT, would you volunteer to drink this stuff if it was moderately filtered through fifty feet or so of soil?  I suspect you would not, so please, stop asking other people to.

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          • Day um, you don’t want to live forever do you?

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          • Mr. Rational says:

            you don’t want to live forever do you?

            Be a man, set an example.  You first.

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          • What a bunch of leftist lovin’ crap you spew. Go hug the EPA and help Obama destroy this country…so far you’re not one bit different than any of them.

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          • What a bunch of leftist lovin’ crap you spew.

            Asking you to set an example for what you’d ask unwilling others to do is “leftist lovin’ crap”?

            The problem, BT, is that folks in places like Dish, TX have accepted a lot of stuff without looking at it too closely and wound up regretting it.  We have exposure limits for toxics like benzene because of documented patterns of diseases resulting from occupational exposure.

            If you drink a lot of arsenic-laden water and get neurological disorders and cancer, that is a pretty good indication that drinking arsenic-laden water is a bad idea.  This is happening in India.  There’s a whole chain of events leading to that result, but you wouldn’t follow me if I explained it so I won’t.  You can go look it up yourself.

            Since you’re into denial, I’ll just spell out a few facts that will make you hate me for pushing into your consciousness (even if it winds up doing you a lot of good in the end):
            1.  Humanity uses a lot of petroleum (literally “rock oil”), well over a cubic mile per year.
            2.  The natural processes which make petroleum are working a lot slower than that, if they’re working at all.
            3.  This means that the amount of petroleum in the world is decreasing.
            4.  The easy and cheap deposits were first to be discovered.
            5.  Because of this, they were the first to be used up.
            6.  The remaining deposits are harder to find and more expensive to extract.
            7.  Because of this, we can expect petroleum to become more and more expensive over time.
            8.  Since petroleum is not being made at any significant rate, we can expect it to become effectively unaffordable for any given purpose sometime in the future.
            9.  From this, it follows that other methods will become cheaper than petroleum for more and more purposes.
            10.  Since it’s inevitable, you might as well be ready and willing to jump when the time comes.

            I recognized that oil was a resource problem a long time ago.  I saw it as a major political problem as soon as 9/11 was shown to be the work of Muslims.  Electric cars may be “leftist lovin’ crap” to you, but they are also OPEC-free and run on domestic energy supplies.  (They are also a lot of fun for sneaking up behind people in parking lots.  Nobody expects cars to be so quiet.)

            Reality doesn’t care what your politics are.  Reality just is.  If you don’t get with it, you’ll be the one hurt.  Just because you don’t like what I’m telling you doesn’t mean it won’t help you to read it and understand it.  Capisce?

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          • Mr. Rational…

            You’re a leftist-lunatic…and full of sh!t.

            Troll along to others…you’re really a waste of my time.

            Btw…I knew that long ago when you always defended the indefensible when it came to the most horrendous of murderers.

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          • You’re a leftist-lunatic…and full of sh!t.

            Didn’t RSNYC post something about decorum a little while ago?

            If I’m a “lunatic”, you should be able to point to something in my ten-point list above that is either false or misleading.  Please, I encourage you to do this.  If I’m wrong, show me where.

            (It is really ironic to see a non-liberal doing the liberal point-and-sputter, and all either side needs to show that they are really practicing a religion is to insert the word “heretic” in lieu of the modern euphemisms like “racist”.)

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          • Mr Rational,
            (cemented permanently into the ground)
            You are aware that cement is one ingredient of concrete, the recipe to make concrete is called a Mix Design, different amounts of water sand and cement are used to reach the desired strength, and PSI, air entrained is also used for use in cold climates, Ice water is also used to achieve the desired strength of concrete that is used in power plants, hot water is used to speed the set time, The use of plain cement would yield a mixture that would not be very strong or very permanent, cement is nothing more than equal parts of clay and limestone burned at a high temp,

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          • ga steve…

            Mr Rational…it off the wall, again!

            No need to try to prove a danged thing to him. I also could post much about how much oil we have that Dear Leader has stopped us from drilling in various ways…and yes, the EPA is his main tool.

            Hells bells, we have more oil here than all of the Saudi Arabia etc…yet we can’t drill.

            …and he says he uses electricity for everything. Oh yeah, how does he think tons of power plants run? – Those that haven’t been shut-down yet – which brings us to coal.

            Anyway…bet he has a real small power bill too. – Ya right…and pigs fly!

            One other thing, Obama promised fuel prices would raise, same as electricity when he ran the first time. He got the job done, and he ain’t done yet! Anyone remember what all the talking heads and congress critters in the dem side did about gas prices when Bush was running…and attacking those big bad oil companies? – Lying hypocrites all.

            I’m done with my rant…moving on. Just wanted to get my two-cents in.

            Btw…Mr Unrational acted like he knew all about logging too on the Alaska thread. – What a tool.

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          • bigtimer
            Wonder if he’s hugged his tree today?

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          • Hell, I think he’s still up one!

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          • ga steve,

            I started all this in my reply to Wasp… so here goes again. Hey Mr. Rational… what’s your thoughts on global warming??????????????????????????????????

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          • Mr. Rational says:

            we have more oil here than all of the Saudi Arabia etc…yet we can’t drill.

            Geezopete, BT, what do you call the Bakken and the shales being drilled all over Texas?  The Marcellus shale in Pennsylvania and New York?  You consistently ignore information that proves you wrong.  This is no way run a railroad… or a nation.

            Why do you believe these false things in the first place?  Remember, the enemy runs lots of disinformation campaigns.  If they can get you to believe nonsense, they can get you to waste your efforts.  Obviously, some of your sources are feeding falsehoods to you.  You need to be more careful about who you believe, and start checking authoritative sources.

            …and he says he uses electricity for everything.

            Never said that, and if you think I did, post a link.  You condemn the left for making s**t up and using ad-hominem arguments, and you turn around and do the same thing.  That’s pathetic.

            I have replaced most of my on-road petroleum consumption with electricity.  That’s just a fact.  I’d be happy to replace even more of it, and I keep watching for opportunities to do so.  My electricity comes from domestic fuels and maybe a bit of Australian, African and Russian uranium (Megatons to Megawatts), with a smattering of wind thrown in.  I’m not supporting Islam when I drive.  Can you say the same?

            bet he has a real small power bill too.

            Just paid it.  $61 and change for the month.  My July usage was actually down from last year despite adding the car as a new plug to feed.  I’m not sure how that happened.

            Now, if you can’t show where I said I use electricity for everything, you owe me an apology.  Are you big enough to give me one?

            This will be a much nicer place if we don’t go around putting words in each other’s mouths.  Let’s give it a try.

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          • Yep, the Gulf of Mexico was off limits to U.S. oil companies after the BP blowout. I’ m not sure if it still is or not, but I do know that foreign oil companies were the first to be allowed to start drilling there again. And let us not forget the brutally murdered Keystone pipeline. Skidmark does not give a crap about the environment, he just does this stuff to destroy our economy and bring us down to the level of his daddy’s third world craphole of origin.

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          • BT,

            How come there is no reply button on Mr. Rational’s post above… wanted to ask where the energy will come from for charging those electric cars… especially since Ovomit threatened to close any new and existing clean coal companies.

            Scroll up a few post.

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          • Paul, after so many posts in same column to the person you’re replying to it goes away. What I’ve learned to do is scroll above that person and look for the next reply feature you can use to him for that same column. It usually works. When I replied to him the last time it was gone too.

            Anyway, hope I didn’t confuse ya.

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          • You know me… I’m always confused except when I bet with Texas chumps on football.

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          • American oil costs way too much in concrete, steel (cemented permanently into the ground) and other inputs to ever be cheap or abundant ever again.”- Mr. Rational

            Orly?

            And just what drives the price of all those inputs you are talking about Mr. Rational?

            Oh yeah the cost of foreign oil, it’s found everywhere including the insulation that covers the electric power cord to your economy car.

            Keep trolling Mr. Rational while North Dakota refuses to join the anemic U.S. economy, and booms 800,000 barrel a day.

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          • Mr. Rational says:

            And just what drives the price of all those inputs you are talking about Mr. Rational?

            Not long ago it was anti-dumping actions against Chinese steel mills; seems they were selling it too cheap.  Of course, there’s also the $4/gallon diesel fuel for all the trucks and rigs out there (fracking a well takes a lot of truckloads of water).  The operators are starting to get wise and switch their trucks and rigs over to natural gas, which is a byproduct of the oil wells and going dirt cheap.

            North Dakota refuses to join the anemic U.S. economy, and booms 800,000 barrel a day.

            The USA burns 17 million and change every day.  US consumption has dropped about 3 million bbl/d since 2008, or around 4 times the total production from North Dakota.  I’m addressing the problem from the consumption end.  What are you doing?  Are you driving your duallie pickup all over town with flags mounted on the windows as I saw so many doing 12 years ago today, and speeding in the bargain?

            Keep trolling Mr. Rational

            I’m just keeping these issues where you can see them.  They make you uncomfortable, which is why you don’t like it… but nobody’s going to get off their duff and do something if they have no idea something needs to be done.  I’m not here to be liked, I’m here to get the word out.

            Oh, I’m also setting an example.  What I have done, others can do now and many more will be able to do later.  Someday it will be your time; as I told BT, be ready to jump.

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          • Mr. Rational trying to find continuity in your arguments is like wildcat drilling for oil but with less chance of a payout.

            You seem to be arguing against using American resources for Americans, but your own proofs are either contradictory, or reinforce my original statement.

            First you post

            “American oil costs way too much in concrete, steel (cemented permanently into the ground) and other inputs to ever be cheap or abundant ever again” – Mr. Rational

            Then you post

            “Not long ago it was anti-dumping actions against Chinese steel mills; seems they were selling it too cheap.” – Mr. Rational

            Well which is it?

            Is steel too expensive, or too cheap?

            And the fact that there are Anti-dumping suits against Chinese steel mills by the EU and India make this a non sequitur argument from your position, but illustrates why America should produce it’s own Oil, and continue to use it’s own coal for steel production.

            India should not buy coal or steel from China when they tax and tariff India’s imports and threaten to cause material injury to India’s domestic steel industry or to materially retard the establishment of such industries with the exportation of low cost/ low grade steel to India’s open market.

            Nor should we buy Oil from OPEC when member countries use the money to fund war against the U.S. and threaten to cause material injury to our way of life. Basically they dump oil when it suits them, or tighten production when they need to influence our economy and industry, just like China is doing to India and the EU with cheap steel and high tariffs .

            And while we are on the subject of steel smelting, please show me one steel Mill that exclusively uses green power for it’s smelting operation. Actually don’t bother they all use carbon based fuel, primarily coal, and America is the second largest exporter of coal in the world.

            Look Brah this is me, just ripping up your first two sentences, I could make a career Anti-Trolling your post. I don’t care if you drive an electric car, or use solar, or wind, all energy sources have their applications and drawbacks, so stop taking it personal.

            Fact is your electric car has over 260 pounds of plastic (petrochemicals) and that is the equivalent of 100 gallons of oil. I hate the idea that some Saudi Prince got a piece of the action, and unless you are a Saudi Prince you should be irritated too.

            There are over 254 million registered cars in the U.S.and if everyone converted to electric cars this year, the aforementioned Saudi Prince sells 508 million barrels of oil to cover production of those electric cars, at 108 petrodollars per bbl, his windfall is 65 billion. That money could stay home if we are prepared to use our own resources.

            And when gasoline usage drops because of the new fuel efficient cars on the road, Saudi Prince caps production and lets demand drive up oil prices, and the commodity traders have a field day.

            It’s great you are approaching the challenge from the consumption end, but that does not mean the U.S. should practice complacency on the production side of fossil fuels nor ignore research and application of our Nuclear Technologies.

            Frankly Mr. Rational you have so many arguments in this thread that you seem to have lost cogency and your multiple post have degraded into assumptions.

            “What are you doing? Are you driving your duallie pickup all over town with flags mounted on the windows as I saw so many doing 12 years ago today, and speeding in the bargain?” – Mr. Rational

            No Mr. Rational I don’t drive a Duallie Pickup Truck, I just think self reliance and energy independence from foreign oil is a good idea, and leaving american oil resources off the table is not a comprehensive policy.

            Have a Happy Day

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          • Sorry, but this is going to be REALLY long.

            You seem to be arguing against using American resources for Americans

            <sigh>  NO, I’m trying to EXPLAIN to you why doubling down on drilling isn’t going to yield cheap American gas any more than doubling down on Head Start will make inner-city Blacks perform like suburban Whites.  There are plenty of facts at hand:  huge drilling activity, employment boom in N. Dakota… but gas is still $3.50/gallon and we’re still importing over half of our oil.

            One of those facts is that a quintupling of oil prices since 2000 has just barely changed the American oil production trend from downward to upward, and it’s still a couple million barrels a day short of the peak of 1970.  There is a huge amount of effort for not very much result.  That’s not a conspiracy, that’s geology.  The worst part is probably that these new wells only produce economic amounts of oil for a few short years.  They are not like the massive fields in Texas and Saudi Arabia, pumping for decades; you may be looking at a 5-year useful life, and a lot of people are going to lose their shirts when their holes in the ground go dry before paying back their investments.

            I get the feeling that people “educated” on talk radio need to un-learn the disinformation before they can understand the facts, just as much as the victims of Marxist indoctrination in schools need the same.  That’s much harder than just getting it right the first time.  Once people are emotionally invested in a falsehood, it’s a bitch to move ’em.

            Is steel too expensive, or too cheap?

            I’m sorry about giving a hyperbolic response to a hostile question.  Ask yourself this:  is steel expensive in absolute terms?  It’s made from iron ore or scrap, plus energy from electricity or coal.  None of this involves oil, so high oil prices shouldn’t be driving up the cost of a foot of of well casing.

            What drives up the cost of oil is needing a lot more feet of well casing per barrel extracted.  And a lot more man-hours on the rig.  And more truckloads of things brought to the well and away again, costing money for drivers and fuel for trucks.  Maybe oil would still be expensive even if steel was free.

            What you don’t seem to get is what has changed.  In 1970, oil was selling for a few paltry dollars a barrel, yet the USA was pumping over 9 million barrels a day.  Today, oil costs well over $100/barrel, and the USA is struggling to pump 7 million.  This is not due to conspiracy.  We pumped the easy-to-get oil first; what’s left is harder to pull out, and it costs a lot more to do it.

            illustrates why America should … continue to use it’s own coal for steel production.

            America is a net exporter of coal.  I believe this includes metallurgical coal (this is not my area of expertise).

            [and] produce it’s own Oil

            The USA is producing about 7 million barrels a day, and consuming about 17 million.  If you have another 10 million barrels per day of oil fields somewhere (your back pocket?), then America can produce all its own oil without changing its lifestyle.  But remember, oil fields are not forever.  Prudhoe Bay was pumping over 2 million barrels a day at its peak; it’s now well under 1 million, and the trans-Alaska pipeline could use a lot more traffic (like ANWR).

            If you can think outside the box, you might consider how and why we wound up switching from hay and oats to oil in the first place.  The short answer is, it was cheap at the time and folks found ways to run engines on it.  It’s not cheap any more, but other things are.  Sticking with oil now is as stupid as sticking with horses then.  Move on.  By 1930, the gasoline lifestile was better than the horse lifestyle by far.  By 2020, something else will be better than gasoline.  I’m doing it with electricity today.  You may use wall power, or natural gas; just be prepared to jump.

            while we are on the subject of steel smelting, please show me one steel Mill that exclusively uses green power for it’s smelting operation.

            I’m not a “green”.  I favor nuclear power.  We can run electric furnaces and charge electric cars at night, and run computers and rolling mills during the day.  And if uranium sounds expensive, we can always use thorium.

            Fact is your electric car has over 260 pounds of plastic (petrochemicals)

            It’s essentially the same as the gas-powered version in that respect.  Same bodywork and almost all the interior except the trunk, which might have 5 pounds more.  You don’t have a point here.

            that is the equivalent of 100 gallons of oil.

            No it’s not.  A barrel of oil is 42 US gallons, around 300 pounds at typical density.  Besides, most plastic is made from light fractions such as ethylene and butene (produce from n-butane).  A lot of those don’t come from oil at all; they are byproducts of natural gas.

            If the plastic in a car is the equivalent of a barrel of oil, then it is enough to drive the typical car between 1000 and 1500 miles.  I don’t think this counts for much in the grand scheme of things.

            There are over 254 million registered cars in the U.S.and if everyone converted to electric cars this year, the aforementioned Saudi Prince sells 508 million barrels of oil to cover production of those electric cars,

            As if that would happen in one year.  But if we take your scenario, at 25 MPG and 13,000 miles/year said Saudi prince would lose sales of 520 gallons per car per year, or 132 billion gallons a year of gasoline (3 billion barrels).  At $100/barrel, that’s $300 billion he’d lose.  Still think he’d invest in Tesla Motors?

            It’s great you are approaching the challenge from the consumption end, but that does not mean the U.S. should practice complacency on the production side of fossil fuels nor ignore research and application of our Nuclear Technologies.

            More or less the only way to use nuclear energy in cars is with battery-electrics or plug-in hybrids.  Hint, hint.

            No Mr. Rational I don’t drive a Duallie Pickup Truck, I just think self reliance and energy independence from foreign oil is a good idea, and leaving american oil resources off the table is not a comprehensive policy.

            Nobody says to leave it off the table; the point is that it costs far more than you think, and you can’t produce as much as you want at a price you can afford.  The problem is geology, not Obama.  It always has been.  Make your plans accordingly.

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          • Mine is longer…

            “NO, I’m trying to EXPLAIN to you why doubling down on drilling isn’t going to yield cheap American gas” – Mr. Rational

            Don’t obfuscate the facts with qualifiers like cheap or abundant. Fuel of any type including solar, wind, oil, Bio-Mass, and Geo- Thermal is not cheap, inexhaustible, or easily harvested, but they are still sources of energy. And drilling domestic oil does in fact produce energy which does not have to be imported.

            “One of those facts is that a quintupling of oil prices since 2000 has just barely changed the American oil production trend from downward to upward, and it’s still a couple million barrels a day short of the peak of 1970. There is a huge amount of effort for not very much result.” – Mr. Rational

            This argument incorrectly applies principles of probability or causality, let me contrast with my own formal fallacy

            1954 – Bell Labs announces the invention of the first modern silicon solar cell they are shown at the National Academy of Science Meeting. The New York Times forecasts that solar cells will eventually lead to a source of “limitless energy of the sun. In 2011 Solar Energy generates 85 TWh/year which is far short of limitless. So Billions of dollars and a tremendous amount of effort has been sunk into the development of Solar Power with very little to show for it. Based on this rationale Mr. Rational everyone should toss research and development of solar cells.

            “a lot of people are going to lose their shirts when their holes in the ground go dry before paying back their investments” – Mr. Rational

            Supposition.

            You Don’t know that. I can speculate those fissures left in the ground after the oil is gone might be used for Geo -Thermal building sites and investors could possibly triple their profits with the resale of the property.

            “I get the feeling that people “educated” on talk radio need to un-learn the disinformation before they can understand the facts, just as much as the victims of Marxist indoctrination in schools need the same. That’s much harder than just getting it right the first time. Once people are emotionally invested in a falsehood, it’s a bitch to move ‘em.” – Mr. Rational

            I believe people get attached to their own point of view and so heavily invested in their facts that they will argue with everyone, instead of picking their battles.

            “I’m sorry about giving a hyperbolic response to a hostile question…” – Mr. Rational

            No you got caught playing both sides of the fence, don’t dissimulate.

            “What drives up the cost of oil is needing a lot more feet of well casing per barrel extracted. And a lot more man-hours on the rig. And more truckloads of things brought to the well and away again, costing money for drivers and fuel for trucks.” – Mr. Rational

            And the price of foreign oil benchmarks the price of labor, cartage, equipment, fuel, communications and all of the other cost of doing business which was my original point.

            “What you don’t seem to get is what has changed.”- Mr Rational

            No I get it,

            Summary
            In 2011, oil and gas exploration and production companies operating in the United States added almost 3.8 billion barrels of crude oil and lease condensate proved reserves, an increase of 15 percent, and the greatest volume increase since 1977 – Source U.S. Energy Information Administration.

            “The USA is producing about 7 million barrels a day, and consuming about 17 million.” – Mr. Rational

            And we are roughly importing 53% of that 10 million from the western hemisphere, 16% from Africa, and 28% from the Persian Gulf. So replacing the 3 million barrels of Persian Gulf imports is feasible with domestic oil.

            “We pumped the easy-to-get oil first; what’s left is harder to pull out, and it costs a lot more to do it” – Mr. Rational

            It is also expensive to import oil from our enemies in more ways than just treasure.

            “If you have another 10 million barrels per day of oil fields somewhere (your back pocket?)” – Mr. Rational

            Lol, if I did I wouldn’t let you drill it.

            “I’m not a “green”. I favor nuclear power. We can run electric furnaces and charge electric cars at night, and run computers and rolling mills during the day. And if uranium sounds expensive, we can always use thorium.”- Mr. Rational

            Now you said something rational and I wholeheartedly agree with you. But as much as we have split hairs on the domestic oil topic, I’m sure we can cross swords over something minor while discussing nuclear power

            “More or less the only way to use nuclear energy in cars is with battery-electrics or plug-in hybrids. Hint, hint.” – Mr. Rational

            Maybe, we might see natural gas first, you yourself said contractors in the oil fields were switching their trucks over already. So I won’t be going ‘all in’ just yet on ‘lectric

            “Nobody says to leave it off the table” – Mr.Rational

            Well I’m glad you finally agree with me :)

            ps. look Mr R. I have done some off grid solar with my lake cabin, this topic is dead to traffic now, so if you are inclined give me some more detail about your set up, are you a farm, part of a co-op, issues with permits, advantages, things you might have changed. You seem to have found something that works for you, and while it may not work for me. It is a interesting topic.

            Waspish

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          • Don’t obfuscate the facts with qualifiers like cheap or abundant.

            What do you mean, “obfuscate”?  You are complaining about OPEC oil because it’s too expensive.  The USA’s imported fraction of oil is imported because domestic sources are even more expensive.  The USA was a net oil exporter until 1948.  Since 1949, it has been a net importer every year.  This has everything to do with “cheap and abundant”.  Those who export to us have more “cheap and abundant” than we do.

            Fuel of any type including solar, wind, oil, Bio-Mass, and Geo- Thermal is not cheap, inexhaustible, or easily harvested, but they are still sources of energy.

            Why don’t you heat your house with biomass or geothermal?  After all, there are some places where people do, so why don’t you?  Could it be that it isn’t cheap where you are?

            The house I live in was heated by LPG when it was built.  As soon as natural gas lines were run out to the area, all the appliances were converted from LPG to NG.  This is because NG was the cheapest fuel available.  Hint, hint.

            This argument incorrectly applies principles of probability or causality

            Nothing whatsoever to do with probability, and you simply don’t get the causality.

            So Billions of dollars and a tremendous amount of effort has been sunk into the development of Solar Power with very little to show for it. Based on this rationale Mr. Rational everyone should toss research and development of solar cells.

            Solar cells do have their uses.  We would not have our constellation of communications and sensing satellites without PV cells, nor our space probes inside of Mars.  They are even useful in remote sites on Earth, where they are cheaper than running lines from whatever grid exists (or paying to replace stolen copper wiring where people have so little respect for the law that some will cut any copper they can find and others will buy it).

            This does not mean we should subsidize roofs-full of PV cells on houses on Hudson Bay.  We shouldn’t subsidize much if anything.  If something is done in the national interest (e.g. military) we should certainly develop any civilian applications, but that’s not a subsidy.

            Supposition. You Don’t know that.

            I don’t know that people have lost money on oil wells?  Wrong.

            I can speculate those fissures left in the ground after the oil is gone might be used for Geo -Thermal building sites and investors could possibly triple their profits with the resale of the property.

            And you have zero basis for this.  Yes, hot fluids produced from stripper wells can be tapped for energy aside from the oil.  This does not mean that these are places it would be profitable to live.

            I believe people get attached to their own point of view and so heavily invested in their facts that they will argue with everyone, instead of picking their battles.

            http://xkcd.com/386/

            You have not made any case that I am attached to “my point of view”.  Facts are facts.  They are two different things.  You should learn which is which.

            you got caught playing both sides of the fence

            You’re mentally deficient.

            And the price of foreign oil benchmarks the price of labor, cartage, equipment, fuel, communications and all of the other cost of doing business which was my original point.

            So… why would that produce a barrel of oil for less than can be done in the USA?  It’s not that you won’t answer this, you cannot even consider the question.  Even when you allow that a lot of that “foreign” oil is produced by American expats being paid far more than they’d take to work Stateside…. that oil still costs less when produced overseas and shipped to US ports.  And that is something you cannot wrap your mind around; your head would explode first.

            In 2011, oil and gas exploration and production companies operating in the United States added almost 3.8 billion barrels of crude oil and lease condensate proved reserves, an increase of 15 percent, and the greatest volume increase since 1977 – Source U.S. Energy Information Administration.

            At the time the USA was consuming roughly 18 million barrels per day of petroleum.  That is roughly 6.6 billion barrels per year, resulting in a deficit of about 2.8 billion barrels net.  The mean USGS estimate of recoverable oil in the Bakken shale is 3.65 billion bbl.  That’s a bit over a year of the deficit.  Do you get it yet?

            replacing the 3 million barrels of Persian Gulf imports is feasible with domestic oil.

            You don’t get to choose who supplies the oil.  If you buy from elsewhere, someone else will buy the Persian gulf product.  They still get the money.  The only way to cut them off is not to import at all.  You don’t have to cut imports by 3 million bbl/d, you have to cut them by 10 mmbbl/d.

            It is also expensive to import oil from our enemies in more ways than just treasure.

            That is what I have been trying to tell you.  Why are you so dense that you presume to instruct me?

            Lol, if I did I wouldn’t let you drill it.

            Obviously, if it exists the owners are not letting it be drilled.  Almost as obviously, 10 million bbl/d of economic production does not exist in the USA at current prices.  Not even a tenth of that exists.

            Maybe, we might see natural gas first

            Natural gas is a small fraction of the per-BTU price of gasoline (even delivered to my own house), so I think the current demand situation is crazy.  Unfortunately, the policy which drives vehicular fuel consumption is even crazier.

            I’m glad you finally agree with me

            You have the sequence reversed.  American oil resources are fine, but they have to be economic before we bother to drill them:  you finally agree with ME.

            look Mr R. I have done some off grid solar with my lake cabin, this topic is dead to traffic now, so if you are inclined give me some more detail about your set up, are you a farm, part of a co-op, issues with permits, advantages, things you might have changed. You seem to have found something that works for you, and while it may not work for me. It is a interesting topic.

            I am not particularly concerned about what works for me.  I am concerned about what works in general, or for a subsantial fraction thereof.  And I don’t care about what works because of incentives and subsidies, because those can vanish tomorrow (and will in any systemic collapse).

            I look at fundamentals.  If you are willing to look that deep, maybe we can agree.

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    • GReat Piece!! And I thought AWD could turn a phrase!!

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  8. As long as we are having a little fun around here today… let me say I just wagered a five dollar bet on the Kansas City Chiefs/Dallas Gayboys for this coming weekend game. Hard to find a chump these days, but one of our regulars at this site took the hook… I’ll post the chumps name on Monday the 16th.

    Paul B

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    • well, we know that the AWD is a cowboys fan… LOL

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    • Well heck Paul, the Cowboys did a good job of beating the Giants Sunday.

      Btw…I was pulling for the Giants. – My other half, the Cowboys.

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      • I think the Chiefs will surprise many people this year. Our offense still needs some work, but our defense is awesome.

        Don’t know if I’ll win the bet with the chump, but should be a very good game to watch.

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        • Well, you can be sure I’ll be watching what I can of football. Depends on what my other half wants to watch…if ya know what I mean.

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    • I want to know why some haters capitalize the first letter of the team Cowboys, but refuse the capitalize the first letter of the team chiefs?

      Is this a Texas thing, or ya’ll just racist?

      Stirring, stirring :)

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  9. BT,

    Btw… bet the speech writer for Obama is really scrambling writing a new speech for tonight. This whole administration is laughable… I guess I’ll watch a portion of Ovomit’s speech tonight with barf bag close by.

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  10. Hey folks, here’s some spot-on fun too.

    http://clashdaily.com/2013/09/.....amas-lies/

    I’m also gonna put it on the picture of the day thread as well.

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  11. SPURWING PLOVER says:

    Obama the dictator and despot Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Lennin,Marx and the rest of the worst

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  12. I wonder if Walsh might have a little hankering for Al’s thang…….Well… you know what I mean.

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  13. Uh Oh

    Pooty Poot just rope-a-doped the race-baiter-in-chief.

    Looks live WW3 is back on for our dear leader.

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  14. Spurwing Plover says:

    Sharpton and Walsh Rooster and Hen he dose all that noisie crowing she dose all the mindless clucking

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  15. Do any of you remember this??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tig2NQpnGQ

    Al(never very )Sharpton getting punched in the face..

    I play this often somehow it makes me happy.

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  16. This means that eventually, the word “racist” as a Marxist free speech gag is coming to an end. When even El Rushbo is willing to go the extra mile to skewer the Blacks, then the House of Anti-Racism is coming down in the Age of Obama!

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  17. Al Sharpton never attended any seminary college, not even for a minute, and certainly not for the brief six months that Jesse Jackson loitered in seminary school before dropping out.

    On page 10 of his autobiography Mr. Sharpton acknowledges: “I never had a private life. But I always knew how to attract attention, I grew up attracting the attention of the crowd. I grew up understanding the psychology of standing out. And I understood the emotions of people.” Would any of us be surprised if Paris Hilton had uttered these exact words?

    Mr. Sharpton offers us deeper insight: “I started preaching when I was four years old, but I remember coming home from church when I was even younger than that, about three, and taking all my sister’s dolls and lining them up in my mother’s bedroom and preaching to them, just as I’d seen our pastor, Bishop Frederick Douglass Washington, do at church that morning. Then I would go and put on my mother’s wig and sing whatever the bishop’s wife and our music director, the great gospel singer Ernestine Washington, had sung at the service . . . I did that for weeks. My father did not like it . . .”

    Mr. Sharpton continues, “I was ordained and licensed as a minister in the Pentecostal Church when I was ten . . . I was officially a ‘reverend.’” He reflects: “It wasn’t until I got older that I understood it [ordination] empowered you to marry people and bury people and all that. At ten years old, it was just a certificate to me. I was glad to have it, but I didn’t understand it.”

    http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode81.htm

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  18. Not too sharp Al looks like he either has aids or is smoking crack.

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  19. I like to imagine how Sharpton and Walsh would huff and puff if, instead of “Hail To The Chief” announcing Ovomit’s presence, the music was switched to Camptown Ladies:

    “Da Campptown ladies sing dey song,
    Doo-da, Doo-da
    Da Camptown racetrack be five miles long
    Oh, de doo-da day

    G’wine da run all night
    G’wine da run all day
    I bet my money on da bob-tailed nag
    Somebody bet on da gray”

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